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Hi, all!

I am starting this thread since the original thread "A Little Reminder" -> http://diaperedanime.com/forum/showt...l?goto=newpost was getting off-topic and was closed. I saved my last post just before the thread was closed so I hope that the quote links in this "copy and paste" job will work. I hope that after reading this post, the logo matter will be settled. If you want the logo updated and can work with the other parts of our mixed community then please discuss your opinions:

You don't need to apologize to anyone. You were just bringing forth a long standing issue that was overdue for attention.

I realize that this response is directed towards the some of the other posters here, kakarot, and not me since I'm in no way concerned about the SFW factor of our URL. But I'd like to give everyone some honest, friendly advice (Which can be taken or left at each individual's discretion): If you're visiting this site during work then you should stop doing so - No job is worth losing if you're busted by your supervisor for goofing off. If you're doing it at lunch time and even if you're using your own personal smartphone or notebook, you have to realize that the WiFi connection that you're using belongs to the company and they can easily monitor the traffic that is going on to your device. As for the name of the website, there are worse sounding URLs out there like F*ckMeNow (Well, you get the idea) so IMHO, I don't think that it is that big a concern (Also, it would cost Ai money to get the domain name changed, plus I don't think that he would do so anyway!). If you're that worried about it (Speaking to everyone in general) than don't visit this site in public. Wait until you get home to do it.

I agree with you. There are worse images out there than the clean image that we are using for our current logo. I agree that we should have a diapered adult (I would even like to see a cartoon chibi baby) gracing the top banner as part of an updated logo. Like I said in my previous post (Which I hope that you had carefully read):

In fact, I support you and others like you - As long as your attempts to update the logo do not disenfranchise me or other members like me from enjoying this site. I do not mind if the current logo was updated to include a diapered adult and a diapered chibi and a diapered furry (Including MLP), ... alongside the diapered girl which represents the AR aspect of our forum. If you scroll up to the top, you can see that here is plenty of blank space to the right of our current logo that is available for more characters to share!

Let's pretend for a moment that the current logo is a full grown diapered gal and that it has always been like that since the beginning. Now suppose suddenly that some members from the DL part of our forum complain that the logo is too babyish (Unlike ABDLs and ARs, DLs do not care anything about being babys - They just want to enjoy the prolonged [Hours?] tactile feel of remaining in a used diaper) and that it should be removed and replaced with an adult male character that is not dressed like a baby but in adult clothes and a diaper only because they feel that the current logo is attracting too many babyish people here and giving the DLs outside the wrong impression that this is not a DL (As opposed to an ABDL and AR) friendly forum. Now wouldn't you fight "Tooth and nail" to protect the logo that has long been the symbol of the bastion of ABDL for you? Well, now you know exactly how I feel about all of this.

I've been here about three years longer (Since 2008) than you and I can tell you that for the most part, the site has been more or less stable. It hasn't really changed that much as far as I can recall. Sure peeps come and go. I've lost friends and gained new ones through the years and there were exciting moments when popular diaper artists like Carotte, SketchMan and NormalDeviant used to occasionally visit the site and even bad tense moments (I don't want to go into those) and even the temporary closure of DA back in 2012 (I'm glad that we're still here!), so I can safely say that we are still going strong. If anything the glory days are ahead of us after the reopening in 2012. Logos change from time to time - Sure. And I am not totally against change. I am just against change that would affect an aspect of the site that is long familiar and dear to me (Read the above two paragraphs again if necessary).

I believe that he is monitoring this thread. It is my guess that he is cautiously waiting for more peeps to reply in order to get a better idea of the consensus of the community before he responds.
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If I'm gonna be honest, as much as a logo change would be nice, I'm not entirely sure if it's possible. As I stated in the shoutbox, I don't have access to the original file, meaning we'd have to start from scratch - and I certainly don't have any photoshopping skills. Not my level of expertise. Both Ai and myself are quite busy to top it off, so I don't see this being a change that'll happen soon.

However, I would like to monitor this little subject, to see how everyone feels, and to see if anything can be done at some point. Ai also has plans to change the site entirely (at some point...) and we've got plans in place for other business, such as finding other moderators. So... we've got an awful lot on our plate at the moment.

What I'm saying is: don't get your hopes up. I would like a little change (even though I use the work safe header, even at home XD) as much as you would, but if it's not possible, it's not possible. Still though, debate as you will, I'll be watching to see what ideas and projects unfold.

Much love.

You can use the "work safe header" if you dont like the default header. the "work safe header" option has saved my ass more than once, and I like it alot more than the default header. :3

Sometimes if we search too hard for something, we will tend to overlook the fact that what we seek is "right under our nose". The file with its original background can be found in the Kuronegi section of the gallery -> http://diaperedanime.com/gallery/sho...gi-002/cat/563 It is not necessary for us to start from scratch.
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Don't feel bad about it. I don't have any skills with Photoshop either but we do have some very accomplished image editors like Bifdaykakes, who know how to use Photoshop layers to assemble collages. Perhaps he can be persuaded to "stitch" the other characters alongside the current character so that all appear together as "One big happy family" (If only we could do that with all the members within our community).
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BTW - Perhaps members from the other parts (Specifically those into AB/DL/Furry/BDSM/Yaoi/Yuri) of the spectrum here will attach candidate characters (To possibly represent their aspect of the spectrum) in this thread. When those particular members feel that they have enough candidates to attempt to make a decision, perhaps they can make a poll thread and vote among themselves to decide their final choice of representative character to add to the updated logo.

my feelings are its pointless to change that we have setings to shild us from the lols of co workers the work safe header i mean =) but this logo identifes us as what we are besides if your tryn to change outsitders opions youd have to change the laws on the profil/avatar picture of peopole like me cus they are basicly same thing with difrant gender and the profile picture defines as us anmd stricting up the law would make us not compleat im happy to say AI did a vary nice job putn this site together and xero dose nice job maintaing it but the site i feel should have other areas were focus is needed like keeepn teans off and work on ways to spot them another thing id like to change is the 1 acount lawbi feel we should more if we chose to but have them linked (so mods/admin know) but thats off topic

bottom line we should not change the logo

I agree with trevor93. We shouldn't be trying to please outsiders or persons who are age-sensitive to imagery and non-nude materials. It just isn't right and we would need to delete half the website to truly do so. As for making the site safer at work, there is the "work safe header" which may be enabled by going to user control panel and then going to the bottom of the "edit your details" page.

I think every thing is fine the way it is, there is no reason to change anything. Making the gallery mobile friendly would be nice, but that's off topic :p

i also want to point out (pretending we do change for a moment) the section they are in would be more favored then the rest of the art peice is tht ab or dl or bdsm bondge lesbian or homosexual would be favored in the art peace so agein the curant logo is still best to represant all fairly its the 1 thing we all have in comon

Personally I don't mind the banner that is there now. I mean sometimes the work safe version is better for people that don't want others knowing what site they are on. I may not have that problem but I know some do. Honestly I don't mind if the banner was to be changed. I still like how it is now but that is just me.

I agree as well, Koji. There are some members here who are confused and believe that the current logo would attract the "wrong crowd" from outside our community to come here. Going by their train of thought, a person could even look at an innocent drawing of a cute puppy or cute kitten and label it as "Bestiality" even though the cute character's privates are not drawn and/or there is no shady character lurking behind somewhere in the drawing ready to pounce on the cute character. As I said before in the "A Little Reminder" thread [I can't directly quote from the other thread now since it is closed but the following is verbatim what I said]:

"...Art is subjective. Different viewers will examine a given artwork and form different opinions about it. For example, people even today have different views about Michelangelo's nude statue of King David - Some say it represents one of the finest art forms of humankind ever created while others say that it is porn because King David's privates are clearly displayed in the open rather than covered with something like a fig leaf..."

I think I understand what you're trying to say, trevor93. But you have to also remember that some members like Kakarot feel left out since they feel that there is no character in the current logo that represents what they like [See the "A Little Reminder" thread where Kakarot said]:

"...a site where members are adults, it would be nice to see a diapered adult, or maybe a chibi baby ..."

Let me reiterate, I am for change but only if that change does not mean that the cute character in our current logo is removed. There is plenty of empty space on the right side of the current character for other diapered characters (e.g. A diapered adult or a diapered furry, etc.) to occupy. Everyone can be happy. If the members of the other aspects of DA really want change and can accept compromise then shouldn't we work with them as well? I think that this is better than changing the current logo entirely to satisfy some members only to later have other members complain about the new logo. Like Rodney King said "Can't we all get along?"
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an option to choose between different headers would be cool. I'm not sure if its possible though.

I agree with Buggy285. I feel an option to choose between different headers would be best for everyone because some people might not like the idea of a furry or a bdsm image as part of the logo. There is probably a question of price to be considered in all this but members could always donate money to help pay for it.

as cool as it is members dont donate as is like me i want to but im always in finace crisis iv always wanted a red name but yea talk cheap evry one what wanted it would have to donate for that cause

That is a good idea as well, Buggy285. There is only one problem though: Whenever the site is visited and before a person logs on or registers and then changes the header with the single character, there has to be a default header displayed on top. Which character will be displayed on the default header? The majority of us (Myself included) who have spoken so far in this thread would definitely say the character in the current logo - This kind of brings us back to the original problem for the other members, unless they're willing to accept this alternate solution of having the current character as the default logo in the header, logging in and then switching to a logo character that they feel best represents their interest. I would also support this idea if it is possible and the conditions I just described were to occur.
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I'm curious, but is the lack of Photoshopping ability the only reason it currently isn't possible?

I personally use the work-safe header because I don't like the default one; so if there is a consensus that it should be changed, and the lack of Photoshopping ability is the only reason we don't go through with it, I would be willing to do some image manipulation for the cause.

I can't create original art worth anything, (So don't ask me to draw anything from scratch) but I am very adept when it comes to cropping and mending images. For example, my avatar came from this image, which lacks part of Pichu's left ear, and is not any larger than the edit.

i still think if its changed the artist who dose it will favor 1 section more then rest

That's true, though the current logo already favors a particular group. Not all of us are littles y'know. :P
Changing the logo won't create the bias you mention, it just probably won't fix it.

But that wasn't really what I was saying... I was just mentioning I could help out if there was eventually a consensus to change it.

well see it anime+diaper = diaperdanime in wich sense favors none

I see it as Diaper + Anime + Children.

For someone who comes here only for regression, that's no big deal because they like to see themselves as a kid, and it isn't sexual.
But for someone like me who doesn't regress, coming to a fetish site with a child as the logo gives me all kinds of bad vibes.

Besides, I'm sure anything we might choose would fall under the "anime+diaper" category anyway.

I think the default header should be basic and work safe (for obvious reasons). And an option to customize the header for registered users. I'm not sure if it can be done.

complications of the combo ab+dl is another factor i see the valid point tho i disagree

I dunno. Personally, I think that difference is the primary factor.
Thing is, we have such a gigantic range of tastes here that it's almost impossible to please everyone by picking something one of us likes.
I'm not about to say that my opinion is right and yours is wrong (Or vice versa), but I still think that we need to think about both groups.

Actually, I like Buggy's idea of defaulting to a work-safe header for unregistered users and allowing to pick a header for registered ones. That way we both win.

That's fine... We don't really need to agree.
These are just my opinions, you have your own and I can respect that.

maybe we should just go without a character? Just have a basic and work safe header

Actually to put this all into perspective, thingywhat, Xero said that he and Ai are very busy, that they have other site business that has higher priorities than this and that IF the logo is updated or not, it will not be any time soon. Basically, he said that what we can do here in this thread is suggest ideas that Ai and he might or might not consider implementing when the time is appropriate (After they have taken care of all of the other site business). As Xero had put it:

So there you have it.

Based on the edit that you did to create your new avatar, what you said above about "willing to do some image manipulation for the cause", your avatars (Both old and new are "Diaper cubs") and the fact that you are a DL (Not an ABDL), would I be right in guessing that you would be willing to merge each one of the (Yet to be decided upon?) characters that would represent each part (Interests) of our forum and that you would like to see a character that represents DL (A non-AB adult character in a diaper) and another character that represents "Diaper cub" (Again, I'm thinking this is the case, based on your old and new avatars) somewhere alongside the current character that represents AR? If so then IMHO, that would be great! The original file that was scaled down to create the current logo character can be found in the Kuronegi section of the gallery -> http://diaperedanime.com/gallery/sho...gi-002/cat/563 I had suggested to Xero earlier that perhaps one of the image manipulators, like birfdaykakes, could be persuaded to do so but since you're volunteering to perform the task, I guess that is one less detail to worry about. Just a side note - I found a nice simple basic tutorial about how to use layers in Photoshop to merge newly created objects -> http://www.photoshopessentials.com/basics /layers/layers-intro/ I still haven't found the tutorial that explains how to take an existing image, seperate objects within it and add each object into seperate layers. I'm guessing that is what you did to create your new avatar. Did it also involve changing the transparencies of the two dialog bubbles so that they became invisible?

I am (And hopefully a lot more others here are) sensitive to your concerns. By your words, I believe that you are also sensitive to my concerns as well as those who share my interest (AR). If I am examining the situation correctly then you just further proved that not everyone here has the exact same interest or mix of interests but we can all still work together to develop the "Best (Not perfect) possible solution (Compromise) for this matter. It is good though, that we all share the common interest in diapers (If you don't then you've joined the wrong forum! :D), so that is a starting point.

If you had a character to represent DL and a character to represent Diaper Cub somewhere alongside the character that represents AR, then perhaps the presence of the character that represents AR would not have that strong an impact upon you whenever you visit this site, since then you would have two new characters (One for DL and one for Diaper Cub) that you can focus upon above in the header. I would tolerate the presence of other characters even though they would not represent what I'm interested in, but that is not a problem for me because, I would just focus on the character that represents AR in the header whenever I come here. It's all about tolerance people! Just let go of any preconceived, misguided notions and be more open minded.

Speaking realistically, I think that there will never be a unanimous consensus among all of the users concerning this matter (As you can already see, some people are for what I propose while others are against it). If we held a poll where possible options are A] Update the logo so that each part of DA has a representative character B] Change the current single character to some other single character - This option, IMHO, is the worst option because it would just make one group happy while excluding other groups of people and then the others would just later complain about the new character and would be back to "Square one" C] Keep the current logo - Then we would be back to "Square one" for some peeps. I would not be confident that a fair vote could ever be reached since we all know that some peeps here have already created multiple login accounts (See -> http://diaperedanime.com/forum/showt...920/index.html) and by using multiple proxy sites with those multiple login accounts, could easily vote more than once for the option they favored, thus "Stuffing the ballot box" and skewing the true results.

IMHO, what we really need (And would be best) is for Ai to make a "Command decision" (Since this is his website) on how to proceed with this matter. I would recommend that we proceed with what I have been proposing (One character for each interest in DA - Sort of one happy diapered family of characters) as an attempt to satisfy "All diapered walks of life" here. We could still have separate polls (One for each interest), so that members who have a given interest can vote and decide (From among various pictures either in our gallery or from outside sources) which drawn character would represent their interest in the new updated logo. I can't see how it could be more fair than that. If anyone else has a better idea (One that hasn't already been discussed), please share it in this thread!
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There would be no artist involved with the merging of the characters into the updated logo and each interest group (AR, AB/DL, DL, Diaper Fur [Including MLP], Diaper cub [Including MLP], Yuri, Yaoi and BDSM) would only have one character (Yuri and Yaoi by definition must have FxF and MxM but it would be considered as one representative character), just one image manipulator (Thingywhat?). I really don't see how one interest group (Aka "section") would be favored more than the rest in that kind of arrangement (Speaking of which, we would all probably have to figure out the order that the characters would appear in the new lineup of the logo in the header but I don't even want to go there right now)!
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Your re-worked idea is sort of like the last half of the phrase "All or nothing" whereas my idea is the sort of the like the first half of the same phrase. If I understand you correctly, are you suggesting that we have a simple logo with just a folded diaper and no character? IMHO, That sounds too plain and unstylish - I would even say that it would make the site look "drab" and make it less appealing to people on the outside (Not to mention the rest of us already here)!

Also, I don't think that we would have to worry about the logo being Not Safe For Work (NSFW) if some people would just use some common sense and not visit this site during work hours. Peeps have to decide for themselves if it is worth the risk of losing their job just to come here while "On the clock" but we shouldn't have to change the logo in this way to accomodate those peeps and ruin it for the rest of us! Besides, changing the logo in this way doesn't really protect those peeps since the sysops (System Operators or Network Admins) in their company can easily monitor where those peeps go online. It is a part of the Network Admins' job to monitor the company internet traffic to ensure that activity like this doesn't occur during work hours. The SysOps have software that help them automatically monitor and flag down network traffic (e.g. -> https://www.manageengine.com/product...FdgKgQodx1cBHQ ). Whenever you visit DA from work, the URL is logged on the company's internet gateway server. All the sysops have to do is to follow the URL, take one look at the pictures that are in our gallery which is right on the front page and report the person to their manager. A "work safe" logo would not change anything as far as protecting the security of peeps online during work is concerned. Nowadays in the workplace, "Big Brother [really] is watching you." If this is what you had in mind, then I definitely don't support your idea and I prefer my idea of having all of the interest groups here each represented by one character. If I misunderstood any details of your idea, then please elaborate (Please explain it further in detail).
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Don't get me wrong, I wasn't under the impression anything would happen soon... But it might happen eventually, which is why I think it's a good idea to talk about it and figure it out.

If you mean adding a bunch of characters into a single image, that's fine... But if you mean "merging" as in combining an alphabet soup of characters into one... Uh, yeah...
I'm not actually sure how that would look, nor do I think I have the artistic ability to do that without the resultant character looking absolutely hilarious.

That said, I would be willing to modify multiple characters into multiple logos if we decide to go that route.

Again, I am no artist, so don't put too much faith in me to do anything that is beyond manipulation of some form. ^^'

It's true I use layers to do my modification, but in my style of modification, that mystery step you are referring to is just plain 'ol vectoring.

If you are interested in my process, I have it spoilered below:

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Oh, whoops. Those dialog bubbles aren't supposed to be there. I was originally going to link the second image of this set, (This artists always does one with text and one without.) but since that requires a Pixiv account and I didn't want people to click to a "login" screen, I linked a Wildcritters post instead -- the wrong one at that. :|

Yep! I am pretty sure many resident ABs here wouldn't want an uber-sexy diaper hentai logo. I am also sure that the current logo makes many DLs uncomfortable. (The fact a logo change was suggested proves that.)

The reason I liked Buggy's idea a few posts back was because it was a lowest common denominator between the two groups. Not terribly exciting, but nothing that would be offensive to either side until you picked a DL logo, an AB logo, an AR logo, or whatever options that could be possible.

Well, the way I see it; There's nothing wrong with being open minded, but there is also nothing wrong with simply not liking something.

It's fine to be open minded, though expecting everyone to agree is a bit of a problem--especially here because the two opposing sides don't really mix well.

I am sure many ABs would not like to start with an image of innocence and have something definitely not innocent introduced next to it.
I am also sure that many DLs would not like if previously-sexy image has a child put into it.

While it would be nice, I think a unanimous consensus is nearly impossible to achieve if we are only going to have one logo or another.

That's why I am trying to think of compromises--so that no one needs to feel left out, even if their interests aren't shared with most people here.

I think votes are good for situations where a solution has to be good for one side and bad for another. It randomizes misfortune and luck. I do not think that a vote is the right thing to do here if we can come up with something that would work across the board.

Ultimately, a place like this is a haven. A place where people who would otherwise not be able to talk to others can join other like-minded people, but if we bias one way or another, we will not attract the full audience we want. This means that people with less popular interests can't congregate and have fun together.

Do I think the logo has that big an impact? Yes.

Why? Because it is on every single page, so there is no way to get away from it if you are unregistered.
I'm sure if someone gets bad vibes from a site, they won't want to register.

Actually, I think that the logo is probably the main reason we have so many ABs here compared to DLs. (As evidenced by the very existence of this thread.)
I think we would get a high DL to AB ratio here if we had one that appealed to DLs but not to ABs as well.

I don't think either is right since this place is for both types of people.

Ultimately, this is exactly what will happen, and that's fine.
Xero was interested in this topic, so I doubt our sentiment will be ignored.

We might even be deciding what to do right this second without knowing it.

I could be wrong (Since I am not him), but I don't really think NSFW was the point...
I think the point was having a logo that either group would be ok with, and have the option to change it to something they like.

I think the idea would work just as well with an NSFW logo that only featured something that both groups would be fine with...
A diapered chibi character comes to mind; they are cute, diapered, and even if they aren't a child, they look kiddy.

No problem. I understand and share your zeal. It just sounded like you were actually ready to perform the image edit of the logo IF Ai told you to proceed and you were given all of the individual characters (Which haven't even been determined yet) when you asked is the lack of Photoshopping ability the only reason the update of the logo currently isn't possible.

Yes, I meant the former (The latter idea would be ridiculous wouldn't it?:D) I apologize if I wasn't clear in my last post with the description of what I envisioned for the updated logo. As an example (The order of the characters in this example are not final!), I envision the current character that represents AR, alongside a character that represents Diaper Cub, alongside a character that represents ABDL, alongside a character that represents DL, alongside a character that represents Yuri, alongside a character that represents Yaoi, alongside a character that represents BDSM. This can be easily accomplished using the the layers feature in Photoshop with each character in its own layer all under the same background layer.

Thanks for the Photoshop mini-lesson. I can safely say that my level of experience with Photoshop (Beginner) is no where near as advanced as yours (Intermediate user?) at the moment.

Thingywhat, as your friend, I had a hard time reading what you wrote about how a child like character here gives you "bad vibes" and that your sentiment (Unless I'm misinterpreting the mixed signals that you're sending out) is that you want the current logo character that represents AR removed/replaced (Sure, I know that friends sometimes disagree with each other about views on matters but that fact doesn't make it easier to handle). I have to say that what you said is kind of like "The pot calling the kettle black." From the perspective of people outside of our community (Unlike the rest us here) who do not understand pure, non-babified DL, DLs appear strange and creepy since they like to be wrapped in a diaper for hours on end surrounded by their own human waste. A non-babified, adult character (Maybe even one grabbing his/her own used, diapered crotch) that represents pure, non-babified DL could also possibly give off "bad vibes" to others. To be honest, even I'm not crazy thinking about the practice of sitting around in a diaper surrounded by human waste for hours, much less a character that represents such an interest. But you know what? I would accept such a character somewhere in the same lineup, with the current character that represents AR, in the header because I believe that both such characters have the right to exist here because they each represent a different part of DA even though I am not a pure, non-babified DL. That is what tolerance means - To accept someone or something that is different from you or what you believe in, even though you might not agree with (Or like) the other -> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tolerance I would be willing to see the header space shared by a diverse mix of representative characters (One for each interest group) as long as the current character that represents AR remains (I hope that I am crystal clear about how I feel about this). It can be viewed as a compromise for the matter that is at hand.

First of all, we have to find out if such a feature (A default header with the option of switching among multiple headers - One for each logo representing each interest group here) can even be implemented. I agree with you that, if it can be implemented, the default header indeed would not be "terribly exciting". IMHO, it would be "terribly detracting" from the site's appeal. As I had said to Buggy285:

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That is true. However, when you don't like something in a public area that someone else likes and then try to deprive that something from the other person just so its absence from the public area makes you feel better, then that is wrong. In affect, you would be disenfranchising the other person from enjoying what they like.

Yes, I agree with you on those statements, especially the last one - However, not everyone who visits here (As well as dA a.k.a. deviantArt) is looking for "Fapping material". IMHO, it is not the fault of the innocent artwork that those who are looking for "Fapping material" happen to stumble upon the innocent artwork while they're "In the mood" and suddenly get a self-conscientious shock to their libido ("Boner Killer"). The rest of us who don't come here for "Fapping material" (Some of us come here for the pure enjoyment of good artwork) shouldn't have to be penalized for what others incorrectly perceive to be an intentional disruption of their self-gratifying activities. Perhaps in the updated logo, we should not position such characters within each other's proximity or add some props in between such characters, like a stack of diapers or a Diaper Genie (A tall diaper pail) as a "separator" object. There would be many ways to arrange the characters and objects in the updated logo.

I agree with you there. That is why I am suggesting that we update the logo to include one character for each interest group in the hopes that it will attract more people from across the spectrum.

This is a place for many people (AR, ABDL, DL, Diaper Fur, Diaper Cub, Yuri, Yaoi and BDSM), not just "two groups". Also, not everyone is focused on one particular interest. Many people here have tastes that span across multiple interests (For example, I am mainly interested in AR but I also enjoy Diaper Cub if the artwork is up to my own personal standards. On occasion, I enjoy the Strait Jacket Bondage artwork of Carotte's famous female character, Helm, -> http://the-padded-room.deviantart.com/ I admit though, that I visit his dA page mainly for his wonderful AR artwork but sometimes, he also creates wonderful artwork in his ABDL and SJ Bondage sections that capture my interest while I'm there. The one thing that all of the different interests have in common is that the depicted subjects are diapered.

I had already explained that a NSFW logo wouldn't make any difference in protecting the security of those people who risk visiting this site during work hours, so a "NSFW" logo is a moot point. Let's refer to that such logo as a "neutral" logo.

For the matter at hand, I think that there are more than "two groups" present. I am observing that there are in fact, four groups (The order in which they are listed has no meaning concerning their importance) IMHO, each "group" can represent an option for Ai to consider to implement:

On one extreme, there are some people that want the current logo to remain with no new characters added (Then we would still be on "Square One" as nothing would have changed).

On another extreme, there are some people that want the current character removed from the logo and replaced with another character, that some other people undoubtedly will complain about later on (Then we would be "Back to Square One" again).

And then there are two other groups (A third and fourth group), that want a compromise but are two opposite parts of the phrase "All or nothing." The group that favors Buggy285's idea with a single default "neutral" logo (e.g. A plain folded diaper with no character? Thus the "Nothing" part of the phrase) with the user option of changing the character to one that is more suitable after a user logs into the site. This is still more of a concept "On the drawing board" than something that is actually "doable" since it has not been determined whether this idea can even be implemented.

The group that favors my idea of having each interest group here each represented by their own single character alongside the other representative characters in a lineup, understands that my idea which can be implemented (As we have both already discussed), though not a perfect solution, offers more people flexibility as each interest group would be represented by a character that each particular group likes, even though there may be other character(s) present in the logo that they might not like. With my idea, people can focus on the character(s) that they like and avert their eyes away from the character(s) that they don't like in the header which appears on every page, just as some people should do with pictures in the gallery that they don't like. That is what I do with such pictures whenever I check out the latest pictures in the gallery.

I will further argue that if a non-registered, potential member visited this site and saw only a single "neutral" logo (e.g. A plain folded diaper with no character?) they would not have a comprehensive idea of what this site is all about. Sure, they could scroll down to the gallery on the front page and view all of the picture thumbnails but if on that given day (Or night) someone uploaded a "Flood" of pictures (Which occasionally happens) that belong to only one specific interest (e.g. Koji is one of the members that I know of in the past who has shared a large amount of Diaper Cub pictures in a given day or night which "flood" the bottom half of the gallery), the non-registered, potential member (Who might not be interested in Diaper Cub) might erroneously conclude that DA is mostly about Diaper Cubs. If instead, the logo displayed one character for each interest group here (One for AR, one for ABDL, one for DL, one for Diaper Fur, one for Diaper Cub, one for Yuri, one for Yaoi and one for BDSM) alongside the other representative characters in a lineup then that non-registered, potential member would have a "crystal clear" idea of what DA is all about - Diverse interest groups untied by a common interest in diapers.

A chibi character would not properly represent AR. With a Chibi, the head, hands and feet are enlarged disproportionately to the rest of body -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_deformed In Age Regression, a normal sized adult is physically (And sometimes mentally) aged backwards to a younger state (A child) but the head, hands and feet are all proportioned correctly for the AR'ed subject.

As someone who is not interested in regression (Which includes AB and AR), I don't think that you should imply what kind of character would supposedly be used to represent the AR interest group here just as I, who am not interested in pure, non-babified DL (Not the same as ABDL or ARDL), should not imply what kind of character would supposedly be used to represent the pure, non-babified DL interest group here.

DA has many interest groups (AR, ABDL, DL, Diaper Fur, Diaper Cub, Yuri, Yaoi, BDSM) with members all co-existing "under the same roof". Now, I'm not saying that we're always sitting around in our diapers around a campfire, holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" in harmony -> http://www.alphadictionary.com/artic...e/kumbaya.html but we can at least exist together here in the forum, despite a few "agitators" (Some new members and even some long time members) who, on occassion, disrupt the "Natural flow" (Unspoken truce?) within the forum. That has been my observation ever since I've been here at almost the very beginning of this site's opening, seven plus years ago.
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This is a very unique site. There are many sites that are devoted solely to either ABDL or AR or DL or Diaper Fur or Diaper Cub, or Yuri or Yaoi or BDSM but DiaperedAnime is the only site that I know of where all these different varieties of people that enjoy wearing diapers for one reason or another, come together under the same forum. Shouldn't it be only fitting that we have a logo that represents such a diverse site to the World?


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No worries. ^^
I just figured I'd better give them a heads up that there was someone willing to do that if they couldn't.

I thought that's what you mean't... I just figured I'd just ask anyway because I've made that assumption before and got it wrong.
That was a disappointing day for both of us. :S

I don't actually know Photoshop actually... I've just used GIMP a lot for little hobby edits and parodies that I got reasonably good at using it. (Though I'm not sure where I stand when it comes to skill that way.)

You've got me all wrong. I don't want to remove the current logo, I just wish to make it customizable. (And optional for unregistered users)

I figured the best solution would be to have a number of possible logos for those logged in so everyone can have one that at least reasonably represents their particular interests. The idea is that if someone wants to keep this logo, they can... But one person's views should not affect the experience of everyone. For a site like this with such perpendicular extremes, I think it is more important to accommodate than to simply pick one or another and apply it globally.

It's true I said I didn't like the current logo, and I would want to see something else if possible; but that does not mean I want to stop those who like the current logo from seeing it. (For example, trevor93 would be disappointed if we got rid of the current logo.)

That said, if that's not an option for one reason or another, your idea would be a good one too, because it lets people represent themselves in a shared space much like how this forum contains all of those types of people in a shared space.

Oh, it is definitely possible to do, it's just a matter of how much effort it would take.

We already have a means to switch logos, and even if that only allowed for two separate options, it wouldn't be that difficult to hack up some JavaScript to set the logo based on a cookie value. (As suboptimal as that would be.)

A mostly-client-side option would be to swap CSS, and use that to determine the logo.

Yeah, if it was possible to make something super-exciting for all groups at the same time, that would solve every problem here.

But if we want to have options, a default should be simple. The current work-safe header is a simple anime logo with no strong bias one way or another, so it is a possible candidate I think.

Yeah, I know there is more than two groups... I didn't mean to imply that there were only two. (Sorry..!)

I was just generalizing to show how two groups in particular are reasonably incompatible when it comes to tastes. Yes, people can be in both groups, but for the sake of example, I assumed most were purely on one side or another.

Honestly, I don't really think we should consider those people.

We are what we are, and while this can be a SFW interest, this site is most certainly not.

As part of the "all" group, I know that it is possible.
I just don't know if the admins would want to do it as it would require some modification on the server side.

That...is an excellent point actually.

My idea was based on the example of places like ADISC that has a super-neutral logo, and manages to attract people of all walks. But who says that we can't explicitly show an example of all the groups here?

Better yet, would merging our ideas be a good idea? (A default with everything, and an option for individual interests.)

Diversity is wonderful. Why not show it?

Yeah, you are right... It was an off-the-cuff suggestions of something that might work across the most groups. But, as you pointed out, it still manages to completely miss some groups.

But that's why we are discussing this. ^^
No sense not bouncing ideas off each other, because there is an off-chance someone might inadvertently solve a problem.

Right now, nothing can be done to change the logo. Whether it's wanted or not, that's how it is. It'll simply take too much handling and time to do, and reading through all this has given me a headache x_x

So for now, until this is a more available option, I'm going to close this topic. It should be the end of the discussion until the day it's re-opened. We've got other things to think about on the site right now. V2 is still in the works, and perhaps a logo change would be more appropriate then.