There's so much wrong with what you just said that I'm going to have to break up your post.
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its not vandalism because ur not altering the original! its still there for every1 to see!
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So your reasoning is that its not vandalism because the original is maintained. Even if the original is still there that doesn't change the fact that there's the very same picture with an embarrassing scar on it. For example if I went destroyed one of the pyramids in Egypt for the sake of making an homage to the Egyptians would people look at me and say. "Oh that's great, its okay that you destroyed a testament to architectural design because there's two others just like it."
Just because there's another copy doesn't make it right for someone to go out without permission and alter someone's work. Not when somebody went out of their way to create it.
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if altering image or story intimidates u... maybe thats because ur reading the persons intentions wrong. nobody alters image that they think is bad! thats nonsense, people alter images they like!
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This right here is just lol worthy, you think I'm intimidated by the idea of someone altering my pictures or stories? That somehow I'm going to cower in a corner clutching my works and whispering: "My precious."
I'd be furious if somebody altered my stories, I created that world and those characters that inhabited it from the bottom of my heart. They're as much a part of me as my own thumbs, someone who takes my characters and alters the way they act and think and react would be the same as someone breaking my thumbs. I don't know about you, but I like my thumbs unbroken, thumbs are what separate me from dumb animals.
No matter what their intentions were going into the whole fiasco it doesn't change the fact that they did it. That they insulted the person who made the attempt to produce work for everyone to enjoy.
I'll let you in on a little secret, artists are tempermental. They feel things on a much higher level than most other people, and when you take away from them what they deem as theirs then they stop producing art.
You alter their pictures without permission then they stop producing art, suddenly there are no more images for you to pay 'homage' too, suddenly you're without art to edit because that artist no longer wants to deal with people that don't respect what they produced.
I'd also like to note I'm speaking from experience on this. Look up an Artist by the name of Microwave, he was a really awesome artist, he produced some of the best AB related art I'd seen in a while. It was stylized and very well done over all. However people started posting his work in other places, taking his name away from the work that he had made, and suddenly he just disappeared, he doesn't produce art anymore because people defaced his value as an artist.
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i altered some images, when i did it, it was because i liked original image and wanted to share with the world my idea for it.
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This is exactly the point I made in my previous post. "YOUR IDEA FOR IT." Suddenly the way the artist represented the piece doesn't apply anymore because you feel like editing it. With one ugly edit over an otherwise beautiful piece you suddenly take ownership away from the works that somebody else achieved.
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even a poorly made homage is still a homage!
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Look at that picture you posted the link too. How many hours do you think it took the artist to make that? I'm going to take a conservative guess and say about three solid hours altogether, though it could be much more. Now look at the edit, I can tell you nearly exactly how long it took the 'artist' of the edit. About 20 seconds to open up MS-Paint with the picture, about 5 seconds to choose the Spray Paint tool on the Highest Spray, about 3 seconds to choose the color yellow, and about 20 more seconds to spray a big yellow scar on that picture. Adding that all up... that's 48 seconds altogether.
Do you really consider 48 seconds of 'work' a proper homage, oh but you delivered the modifier of 'even a poorly made homage.' Really though even poorly made homages usually have countless hours of work behind them, permission from the artist, and generally some creativity even if it fails to live up to the original. Spray painting a yellow dot on a diaper is not an Homage, its just rot, internet stupidity at its worst.
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also altering image can be important step to becoming artist. like learning other persons song can help u to write ur own one day.
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Tell me how that picture taught any art skills at all? Honestly? Can you say that guy learned anything at all from that?
"I LEARNED HOW TO USE YELLOW! HURRDURR!"
If he honestly learned any fucking artistic process at all then he must be a moron of the highest caliber. You know how people learn from other people, its not by taking their mentors work and altering it. Its by taking their mentors work and referencing it. I didn't learn to write by taking someone elses characters and putting them in an adventure of my own, I labored and made characters that were similar to the characters I enjoyed and improved upon them from there.
Artists hate it when you physically trace a drawing, because that's just using all the strokes that they used, it doesn't teach you anything about controlling your own strokes its just an advanced version of coloring inside the lines. But referencing a picture beside you takes patience and diligence, and even though the result might be similar to a trace you can honestly say you learned a lot more about drawing than you could from an edit or trace. And with references over traces you can honestly say that the work is your own, others can say the work is your own, even if they can't say the same for the idea.
Artists being selfish and silly
