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There was absolutely no mention of removing the writer's section altogether! That's not even close to what I was suggesting! Please, you've got to read much more carefully next time.
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You have to remember I never said that I was more concerned about turning it into an elitist submission site like artspots or jaxpad is for art (go look them up and see what I mean). For a site like this the few people that can meet that standard would make a subsection a waste of space (why make an entire section for 3-4 authors). Administration and staff I think know this and are going to hopefully moderate what the standards are going to be to accommodative.
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I'm talking about CERTAIN "stories" that have been posted or are being posted. The pieces of writing that are one jumbled paragraph with no real plot, no character development, and no real feeling of effort.
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Your free to input as much as I am. Hopefully though moderators find middle ground here. I don't like reading some of those spammy one paragraph run on sentences (the least they could do is separate it) either but not everyone is a novelist and wants to spend an unreasonable amount of time becoming the next AB star. Its also not fair to expect that ( look at what I believe is fair in this thread).
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I've noticed a severe problem with arrogance/ignorance when I've offered constructive criticism on some members' work (though some members are also thankful...you know who you are!). I really don't want to resort to this, but take a look at the "Kit and Kate" series on this site. Look at every single one.
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I have looked at what your speaking about and labelling the entire story forum as you are for 5 stories out of over 300 (there may be more but it depends on the filter you use). Most people I have to say write somewhat coherently though like most places in this type of work plot lacks. Most of the best material here lies in a few Fan Fiction series though because fan-fiction supplies alot of the mechanics for you most elite authors equate it to that "Kit and Kate" series (as I have experienced). So pretty much this filter is almost mooted and needs to be accomodated for in other ways. I suspect Kit and Kate is only a means of cosmetic changes as anything else goes into personal tastes but that is my opinion. If this or other stores doesn't meet what a openly stated story standard is than it is a rule and not an opinion.
When one user stands out that particularly bad than it is a user issue not a venue issue. I would call someone who continues to post bad quality material despite being said that its not acceptable a spammer or troll who needs to be dealt with appropriately.
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Now, I haven't left comments on all of them, but on the ones I did, there are suggestions to help the author. Most of the time the author's response is either a cold shoulder or a "I don't care."
Stuff like that shouldn't be tolerated, especially when EVERY story from the author is written the exact same way with no attempt at improvement. See what I mean?
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As I was happily schooled in the "school of online criticism" earlier in this thread constructive criticism is a VOLUNTARY opinion not a judgement. As an opinion it is a two way street and the submitter can do as they see fit with the opinion. You can make whatever opinions you want on anything but expect on the internet to give and receive a variety of responses. That may include ignoring and giving the cold shoulder on flamebait, telling someone your own opinion, or just telling them where to go. Forcing somone to adapt and apply your
opinion beyond anyone elses or administration themselves is as bad as not accepting the fact your going to be flamed. As long as its respectful and within forum guidelines than the two users are both free to interact in whatever way we see fit.
As I argued before though if administration feels it is not appropriate to the site well thats the only people that a content producer should apply guidelines from (as it should be). If I agree or feel your suggestions are relevant I may put them into play but I will not be forced under the threat of a ban to change my expressions according to your taste. A person submits material knowing the guidelines of the venue and as such they are prepared for and aware of the consequences of their actions including community reprisals and the fine art of dealing with them.
