Real Talk: Why is it so hard for people to catch on that I'm not straight?

[Liliel]

Originally Posted by Houndoom

By no means am I trying to troll. I was simply stating my own personal. But I am serious, they told me that they love me. I know at least one of them love me.

Then either they mean in a family manner or that one is Bi sexual. Lesbian's do not like men. Don't try and say they do. And if i'm coming off as angry or anything its do to some IRL stuff that has to do with people ignoring my sexualily.

[terminator101]

Originally Posted by AB Avery

terminator, I do believe you misread his post entirely ...

Hmm... Let's suppose that Houndoom's comment was directed at your post instead, AB Avery. I would like to know how you honestly would interpret that comment which would also reflect indirectly upon you (If it was directed at your post) and what would be your honest reaction!


To help you visualize its impact, let's say that after your post (#2), Houndoom's comment was as follows: "... Also, AB Avery, reading your posts fries my brain."

Originally Posted by Houndoom

By no means am I trying to troll. ...

There is a wikipedia article which describes exactly what it is to be an Internet troll -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll. Each person here, including you, can decide for his or herself whether or not you behaved like one. Perhaps you made an honest mistake with your comment - Only you know the true answer.

Originally Posted by Houndoom

... I was simply stating my own personal. ...

There's nothing wrong with stating your own personal [feelings?], Houndoom. However, when stating your personal [feelings?] hurts the feelings of others then it becomes wrong to do so (As some of us here have been guilty of doing so in the past). Perhaps you were not aware of this when you first wrote your comment. I hope that you have now gained this bit of knowledge and will be more careful in the future with what you write.

Originally Posted by Houndoom

... But I am serious, they told me that they love me. I know at least one of them love me.

If they [The so called "lesbians"] each told you that they loved you (Romantically or in a sexual manner) then neither one of them would be considered to be a lesbian by real lesbians. Rather, each of them would be considered by real lesbians (Or by anyone else for that matter) to be a bi-sexual woman (A woman who loves both men and women). As Mayahuskee, a real lesbian at dA!, wrote in point 3 of her guide (See link in my previous post):




Also, if you had gotten close enough to each of them to the point that each actually said that she loves you then it should have been very obvious to you that each of them are not real lesbians!

[AB Avery]

All I'm saying is that A) He may have thought them lesbians, but as you pointed out, they are actually bi. Being a "pure" lesbian, as ignorant as it may sound to put it that way, is incredibly uncommon. It has been scientifically proven that females are rarely completely hetero, or completely homo. By no means am I saying that these women that I have never met are, I'm just saying you were way too pissed off about a completely harmless comment. And you do ocassionally post far more information that is really required and it can "fry" ones brain.
And, by the way, what is it you said to me the last time we personally talked? "You'll attract more flies with honey than vinegar?"
He may have misinterpreted their actual sexuality, he never mentioned that they like him in that way, the word love is thrown around like a ball now a days, so it easily could have been a platonic "love" yet you acted rather abnormally nasty

[Liliel]

Originally Posted by AB Avery

All I'm saying is that A) He may have thought them lesbians, but as you pointed out, they are actually bi. Being a "pure" lesbian, as ignorant as it may sound to put it that way, is incredibly uncommon. It has been scientifically proven that females are rarely completely hetero, or completely homo. By no means am I saying that these women that I have never met are, I'm just saying you were way too pissed off about a completely harmless comment. And you do ocassionally post far more information that is really required and it can "fry" ones brain.
And, by the way, what is it you said to me the last time we personally talked? "You'll attract more flies with honey than vinegar?"
He may have misinterpreted their actual sexuality, he never mentioned that they like him in that way, the word love is thrown around like a ball now a days, so it easily could have been a platonic "love" yet you acted rather abnormally nasty

See hears the issue with what your saying is that lesbian's by nature don't have sexual attraction to males. Thats the whole reason why there lesbians. We love girl's not boys. Can we love a boy like a brother? Sure but theres no sexual attarction there at all. If there is then said girl is bi. You can say that science says otherwise but thats not how it wrks. You can apply science to anything doesn't mean its right. I have no interest in boys at all. I now plenty of other lesbians and gay's who have now interest in the other gender as well so its not as uncommon as you say it is.

[terminator101]

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... Being a "pure" lesbian, as ignorant as it may sound to put it that way, is incredibly uncommon. ...

I don't know about the credibility of your statement so, I won't comment any further on it. I think that Cyrille already aptly handled your statement.

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... It has been scientifically proven that females are rarely completely hetero, or completely homo. ...

Like they say on the 'Chan boards "Sauce?". What is the source of this scientific proof that you speak of? Can you provide us all with some links to such scientific studies or are we to just to take your word for it?

If the presence of such scientific proof is really lacking then are you saying with your comment that in effect, all straight women are really bi-sexual women who favor for the most part, men but on rare occasions may have sex with a woman if they find her extremely attractive in any such way and all lesbians are really bi-sexual women who favor for the most part, women but on rare occasions may have sex with a man if they find him extremely attractive in any such way?

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... By no means am I saying that these women that I have never met are, I'm just saying you were way too pissed off about a completely harmless comment. And you do ocassionally post far more information that is really required and it can "fry" ones brain. ...

If you honestly believe that it was a harmless comment then why didn't you pretend that Houndoom's comment was directed at your post (Post #2) and to you indirectly, honestly interpret it and then show your honest response to it like I asked? Are you afraid to show everyone here that you'd also be "Way too pissed off" about it and react in a similar fashion? Some people's minds can store information like a well while the minds of some others are like a shot glass which can easily overflow if their limit to hold information is quickly exceeded. As a conduit of information to the community in general, I can't judge what amount of information is going to be adequate or too much for each and every individual viewer. Besides, to restrict or limit the amount of information that I release (Barring any privacy issues) would be a form of censorship that I'm just not willing to impose upon myself! If I did so in any of my posts, it just wouldn't feel right to me.

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... And, by the way, what is it you said to me the last time we personally talked? "You'll attract more flies with honey than vinegar?"
He may have misinterpreted their actual sexuality, he never mentioned that they like him in that way, the word love is thrown around like a ball now a days, so it easily could have been a platonic "love" yet you acted rather abnormally nasty

I recall that conversation. You had asked me in a VM to help you with something (I won't go into the details due to privacy issues). I immediately did so since you had helped me in the past with something else earlier. You did not catch what I did and assumed that I had done nothing and that I was ignoring you. You then responded in a negative manner in another VM. I told you that I had already honored your request and would continue to do so until my debt was paid in full (As it already is). I also tried to impart some wisdom to you by reciting the old saying "You can attract more files with honey than with vinegar." It means that you should act in a positive manner rather than in a negative manner, if you want to persuade someone towards your own purpose (e.g. To help you or to see your personal point of view).

It is a sound proverb that can be applied in many cases. However, this is not one of those cases. I was not trying to persuade Houndoom to what might be perceived by you or some others as my "Point of view" for some kind of personal satisfaction. I simply tried to "Set the record straight" for Houndoom and those few others who are unaware about the facts (Not my personal point of view) in this case. To further illustrate what I'm talking about - If I told some people that the Earth is round (Spherical) and one person among them disagreed, I would try to clarify to them that fact. That one person could then either eventually accept the fact that the Earth is round or wallow in his/her own ignorance. But I gain nothing personally for trying to inform him/her of the fact. There is no incentive for persuasion in such a case. Thus, the old saying does not apply in this case.

It is possible that I could have delivered the information in a more gentle manner but his unwarranted comment directed towards my posts, IMHO, made that option an unlikely path for me to take. Sometimes, all it takes is that one wrong comment to "Push someone's buttons" (As I have seen happen to you as well on occasion - I won't go into details). I never claimed to be like Mahatma Gandhi. I could aspire to emulate him but by no means am I like him. If you "Smacked me over the head" (Figuratively), I won't just get up from the ground, turn the other cheek and then stare silently at you waiting for the next blow to fall!

Anyway, it's highly unlikely that Houndoom was talking about platonic love and more likely that he was talking about romantic or sexual love since the focus of this thread involves the sexuality (Sexual choices/behavior) of homosexual women (Lesbians) and the misconceptions about it coming from guys who, like you put it, "Follow their little heads" (BTW - A cigar cutter would take care those little heads easily - Off with their heads! ). I now no longer believe that it is necessary to continue the altercation between Houndoom and myself since it appears that Houndoom is now more the wiser as evident by his silence (I believe that he knows now to be more careful in the future with what he writes). I think that we have derailed the focus of this thread for too long and should allow it to return to its original focus!

[AB Avery]

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-bl...ever-straight/
Here's my link since you're so interested. I didn't pretend his post was directed to something I said because it couldn't possibly be. I am short and sweet and to the point, whereas you will go into a giant and rather unnecessary set of paragraphs, as you just did. I keep my posts short because A) I don't like taking up the entirety of ones computer screen, and B) it does make it easier to understand. I'm sure you've noticed, but not every member on the site is exactly 100%. I am not suggesting this of Houndoom or anyone else, but I prefer the appeal to all. Anyone can read a few sentences and understand what's going on. After reading your "Super Posts" however, sometimes your own point can be lost in your wordiness. And not only is it possible that you could have replied to Houndoom in a more gentle manner, you should have. The way I read that seemed like a direct attack. It was incredibly hostile, something I had not thought you were capable of (figuratively speaking of course). I'm just sticking up for the other man

[Bandit Keith]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

Ok so if you all have talked to me or read my info on my page and such you'd all know I'm a lesbian AND I'm spoken for....so let me ask you this. Why is it so hard for some guys to pick up on it? I mean I don't hide it at all and I even hold hands and kiss jen in public yet in the last week or so I've been hit on by quite a few guys. its odd to e honest. Its like theyy all found out I was getting married and THEN started hitting on me. So anyway let me ask you all this. In your opion are people really that dense nowadays or do I some how seem straight to them or something?

Well from my experience there seems to be a nature in alot of humans that is to desire something that they can't have and try to get it even when they know its foolish and stupid to try. So maybe thats why guys are hitting on you now.

Personally I might if I see a lesbian couple I might if I meet them admit to whoever I find attractive they they're good looking in a friendly way as I have a habit of being honest with people on how I perceive them but I wouldn't be hitting on them just saying they are very good looking/appealing in looks

[terminator101]

Originally Posted by AB Avery

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-bl...ever-straight/
Here's my link since you're so interested. ...

Did you even read the article to which you linked? First, the title on the very top says "Study Suggests Women Are Bi-Sexual Or Gay, But Almost Never Straight". It says suggests not determines. Furthermore, it says that ... Oh Hell, since you don't want a lengthy post with a lot of words then I'll follow the old saying "A picture is worth a thousand words":

The following screenshot of the early part of article says that the study is controversial:

The following screenshot of the latter part of article says that the study is limited to a group of only 345 women (Out of a population of about 3.7 Billion women - The population of humans on Earth is around 7.5 Billion -> http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/. Take that number and divide by two since around roughly half of the Earth's population is composed of women), who watched videos of both attractive men and women. Their sexual arousal was monitored as they watched the videos. The article says that a major criticism that the study is expected to receive when it is published is that arousal is not the same as sexual orientation. That means that there will be other scientists who will challenge this study's conclusion that was derived from a relatively small (345 out of 3.7 Billion women) test group. The authors of the study saythat their research base falls within the WEIRD demographic and admit that their results cannot be accurately applied to the wider [World] populance just yet:

Did you think that just because you linked to an article that it would automatically validate your previous comment? If anything, it just discredited your previous comment. Perhaps you thought that most people here would not bother to follow the link, actually read that article and assume that you had real scientific proof that is accepted by the relative scientific community to back up your previous comment!

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... I didn't pretend his post was directed to something I said because it couldn't possibly be. ...

Oh, I see. Your posts are infallible so therefore you couldn't pretend that Houndoom's post was directed to something you said because "It couldn't possibly be". Heaven forbid that any of your posts would be otherwise!

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... I'm sure you've noticed, but not every member on the site is exactly 100%. ...

Yes, that fact did not escape me in all the eight years that I've been on here. Just because a person is not exactly 100%, that does not mean that they are incapable of learning or improving themselves. You should give those such people more credit than that. I have found that many people here who have Autism Spectrum Disorder are actually highly intelligent. It is just that they may have some kind of condition which makes it more difficult for them to articulate themselves but they are capable of understanding what others who do not fall within the Spectrum have written in their posts (It may just take them a little longer to do so but they do so eventually). If we keep things "Short and sweet", we are not really helping them to expand their minds or to improve themselves - We are actually helping their minds to stagnate. If you really want to keep your posts "Sort and sweet" that is your choice but you can not expect everyone else to do so as well with their posts, just because you do! That kind of policy fosters limiting the creativity in writing.

Originally Posted by AB Avery

.... I prefer the appeal to all. Anyone can read a few sentences and understand what's going on. After reading your "Super Posts" however, sometimes your own point can be lost in your wordiness. ...

I also prefer to appeal to all of the members here (I try to follow the old saying "Better to have one more friend than one more enemy." but also keep the old saying "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time" in the back of my mind) no matter how sweet or abrasive they may tend to get! If a reader gets lost in a book, they can always go back and re-read what they've missed. The same holds true for my "Super Posts" as you call them. What you call "wordiness" is what I call "eloquent".

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... And not only is it possible that you could have replied to Houndoom in a more gentle manner, you should have. The way I read that seemed like a direct attack. It was incredibly hostile, something I had not thought you were capable of ...

That is just your opinion as someone who was not attacked in the first place by Houndoom's unwarranted comment. I'm sure that if his comment was directed towards your post, you would be the one who would feel provoked and retaliate in return. Anyone can have their "Buttons pushed". Even you. It just takes the right set of words to set them off and unfortunately for him, Houndoom found mine. Granted, it is not a side of myself that I like to display on this site or anywhere else but like Bruce Banner, when something terribly upsetting provokes me, another being emerges from within me on rare occasions.

Originally Posted by AB Avery

... I'm just sticking up for the other man

Oh, really? It looks like to me that you're behaving more like a "Troll" -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll than a "Knight" since I had already said that I consider the matter closed between Houndoom and myself, yet it appears to me that you continue to try provoke an emotional response from me perhaps, in truth, for your own amusement.

I don't know what you and I are having right now (I don't know what to call a disagreement spun off from another disagreement - A spinoff disagreement?) since it hasn't yet escalated into a real nasty argument but I say that all of this should stop now as this thread is getting way off topic!